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Discussion in ‘ Wing Chun ‘ started by geezerOct 3, Log in or Sign up. Chi sau and Hubud Lubud Oct 3, 1. Oct 20, Messages: Frankly I wasn’t sure whether to post this here or over in the FMA department. And many of you do both. And secondly I posted here because this thread is kinda-sorta related to the “Few techniques Anyway, here’s the deal.
I practice with an FMA group that does a bit of fairly basic Hubud-Lubud from time ,ubud time and I’ve found it somewhat useful, moreso for weapons application perhaps. For one thing, the WC movements seem more “direct”.
Less messing around with limb-destructions and moving directly to striking the center or “core” in the fewest possible number of movements. By comparison, a lot of the hubuud changes seem like “chasing hands” from a WC perspective. Finally, it comes down to that whole simplicity thing, or “using a few techniques to beat many”. Granted a limited amount of time to train and build muscle memory, I’d prefer to focus on fewer techniques and drills with greater applicability.
I know some of the greats like Danny Inosanto seem to master everything. But there are others also renowned in FMA, like Rene Latosa, who prefer to simplify and boil things down to about five core concepts.
One of these is the concept of Transition. In part, this means learning something well, and then how to adapt it to many situations. Lubudd those of us mere mortals, I find this approach to be very practical.
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So when it comes to something like hubudalthough I enjoy using the most basic patterns with my non-WC Escrima students, I really don’t spend much time with it. I’d rather invest my time and develop reliable muscle memory in drills like lat-sau and chi-sau which work better for me.
Oct 4, 2. Oct 29, Messages: I have had a couple of students come to my class with WC backgrounds and they have had good sensitivity and a almost hardwired trapping system that doesn’t take into account weapons. Bong sauing downward reverse grip knife attacks or pin trapping a knife hand where the release is a lowline slash, fine technique for unarmed, not good for weapons. And the FMA assumption, or at least the assumption in Pekiti is that we always assume there is a knife present.
Otherwise we could simply cover like a boxer and absorb hits rather than trying to block or parry, that is certainly a high percentage simple technique. Sent from my Lumia using Board Express.
Oct 4, 3. Sep 5, Messages: I went, had a good time BUT, ultimately came to the same conclusion as Geezer. WC seemed simpler, more efficient, less hand chasing, etc. A more recent story: His opening move on one of his knife drills was met with me entering with a Tan sau and I punched him in the face. I liked the flow of his P. By the end of our workout, he actually modified his P.
I’d never heard of hubud lubud before so had to look it up just now.
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Will have to cross hands with someone who knows it and gain some further insights! Oct 4, 4. Jul 6, Messages: I have done a lot of both Hubud is actually more analogous to our Pak Da drill. As another poster mentioned, hubud was designed primarily with weapons in mind. So while it seems like “chasing hands” from a WC perspective, this bit of redundancy is necessary for keeping control of an opponent’s weapon hand. You may deflect his weapon hand with a good WC technique and it is enough to nullify a punch, but if he has a knife in that hand he can just keep on cutting!
Its also about angles. If you are in close with a knife, you want to bring your knife on target. So some of the redundancy is to get an angle and opening to bring in the knife. Its like doing Chi Sau where you only plan on punching with one hand.
Now when you get good at Hubud, the 3 count flow that seems so redundant to WC guys can be done in around 1 second, so what does a couple of extra movements really matter? From an empty hand perspective, I think WC has hubud-type stuff beat.
But if you try to hubjd WC’s “directness” and “economy of motion” with the small knife, you are going to end up dead!
With the small knife in close its more about controlling the other guy than it is about trying to be direct. You may be nice and direct and land a killing blow with your knife, but if he has managed to stab you in the gut in the process then you didn’t really win.
I hubbud train hubud because I train with the tactical folder. I follow Michael Janich’s “Modern Blade Concepts” system, and he still uses a lot of the traditional hubud drills with some modifications. We also find some value in the basic 5 hubud flow for our WC as well. We use it to train to bridge from a longer range. And this comes out of our Pin Sun as well. Our second set has a movement where you flow from a Pak Sau luubud a Tun Sau to a palm strike all with the same hand.
Pak – Tun with the same hand like doing Pak – Tan, but where the Tan moves back instead of forward. So if I do Pak – Tun – Pak left, right, left But what if he is far enough away that he can be a threat to me with an extended boxing type punch, but I am still too far away to use my shorter WC type punch? But I am still a bit vulnerable. And what if he is far ljbud away that he is feinting and taunting me with that long punch of his but can’t really reach me yet and I want to move in and make him pay for taunting me?
That’s going to require I take a pretty big step! So you move in with cover. And I have controlled his arm all the way in as I close the distance. So I have done the same 3 count flow from the 5 hubud as I close the gap.
I’ve used it to bridge into more of a WC range. Does that make sense? And finally, there is nothing wrong with using a WC mindset to modify your escrima a bit. While some redundancy is necessary as I’ve described, it can be overdone! I have seen FMA demos where I thought to myself. Also sometimes it gets so elaborate and complicated that I seriously doubt even Dan Inosanto could pull it off in a real encounter!
Oct 4, 5. I am all for the simplicity of a luubud and punch to the face, Kubud have zero problem with that. The drill that most people train as “Hubud” or “Sagong Labo” with the “stop, pass, trap” or “parry, pass, trap” is a basic technique series. Later, the other hand gets thrown into the mix with simultaneous hits, so the first beat might be “parry and cut to arm” which might be the “gunting” motion or simple “parry and palm heel to nose.
Oct 4, 6. So far all these posts are really excellent.
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Oct 5, 7. Jul 16, Messages: I think the main difference is that with short weapons, with which FMA train, arms can be cut, where as empty hand, they can’t, so it makes more sense to attack center. Again, I think fencing offers a useful analogy. Anyone who has trained with longer weapons will quickly find that applying a WC mentality; staying on the centerline, chasing the opponent, and not his weapon meets with success.
However, with shorter weapons this does not hold true, because your hand is already well within range before you can threaten your opponent’s body. This is why you will see more parry-reposte, and less chasing center and what we would refer to as “lat sau jik chung” in something like military sabre, or renaissance dussack, compared to rapier, longsword, or spear.
Nonetheless, I suppose if someone is slashing at your arms and chasing hands, you can still apply WC principles. Remove the hand they’re chasing, and follow in with the other one.
But really, from a yubud defense standpoint, if they’re not actually trying to stab or cut your body, you lubdu really be disengaging, not playing with them.
In that sense, I think WC is still well suited to dealing with an earnest attacker. Admittedly, as usual, I’m speculating about things which I’m mostly ignorant of. Oct 5, 8. Dec 17, Messages: Oct 5, 9. Jul 26, Messages: