“Wieczna wojna” scenariusz Joe Haldeman, rysunki Marvano, kolory Bruno Marchand, tłumaczenie Krzysztof Uliszewski, Egmont, Warszawa. Wieczna wojna (franc. La guerre éternelle) – francuska seria komiksowa z gatunku science-fiction, której autorami są Joe Haldeman (scenariusz) i Marvano . Najbardziej znaną powieścią Haldemana jest Wieczna wojna, zainspirowana doświadczeniami z Wietnamu, za którą dostał nagrody Hugo oraz Nebula. Później.
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Preview — Wieczna wojna by Joe Haldeman. HardcoverKlasyka Science Fictionpages. Published December 1st by Solaris first published December The Forever War 1. To see what your friends thought of this book, please sign up. To ask other haldean questions about Wieczna wojnaplease sign up. What is the point of land battles? Blaine I think its more about colonizing.
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Lists with This Book. This book is not yet featured on Listopia. Okay, K asked me to elaborate on why I hate this book, so. There was apparently a point in the distant, fortunately-gone past where all you needed to write science fiction was a good idea.
Not writing that was remotely competent or dialogue that sounded like human beings might say it or any sort of ability to extrapolate human society or even any understanding of what humans are like. You just had to have a good idea and you could write a classic! The Forev Okay, K asked me to elaborate on why I hate this book, so.
The Forever War is that classic. Here is the good idea at the core of this festering waste of words: Are you stunned with Haldeman’s brilliance yet? The rest of it? The hero is — well, if he had more depth or dimension, I would probably hate him, but as it is, he’s just a cardboard cutout of a neckbeard’s MMPORG persona.
There are future societies, each more ridiculous than the last my favorite bit of ridiculousness: There’s a plot that is barely coherent and a war no one, including the author, gives a single shit about.
And now I must issue a trigger warning; I will spoiler cut this for my friends who need to avoid descriptions of rape. They are in the army, they fight on the line, they are Modern Women. But they are ALSO expected to be camp followers.
When they arrive at a station inhabited mostly by men, they are required, by law and custom, to have sex with anyone who wants them.
A group of heavily-armed women who are nonetheless subject to culturally enforced rape. And that may be the fantasy of every lonely, pathetic dude incapable of actually interacting with women, but it for sure isn’t something I want or accept in my supposedly-equal futures.
Just to be sure no one ever feels they have to read this amazingly awful classic, I’m going to spoil absolutely everything of value about this book. Don’t have one or be in one if you can possibly help it. And now you never have to read this awful, awful book, you lucky person, you. View all 15 comments. I don’t really know what to say about this book. I’m not sure why so many people gave this high ratings.
Some of the ideas are very interesting, but then again, others are I don’t know how to put it.
Plus the actual flow of the story was pretty bad, it bothered me quite a bit. The idea is that a man gets involuntarily wonna into the futuristic “space army” to fight a war against an encroaching alien race that seems hostile.
The kink is that in order to explor I don’t really know what to say about this book.
The kink is that in order to explore and engage the enemy, the soldiers need to travel through numerous portals in space, taking them ever further away from earth. But time is relative, and the further they travel, the faster time is passing back home on Earth.
The idea of leaving to fight a war and coming home to a world that is completely different was intriguing to me and it’s why I picked up the book in the first place, but the execution of the book and the way that this idea is explored just wasn’t satisfying. The first third of the book deals with really long and pointless descriptions of combat drills and equipment summaries.
When the soldiers actually meet the enemy, the result is brief and unfulfilling. Then they travel home to an Earth that is 20 years ahead of them. But it just wasn’t believable to me and came off as rather uninsightful and lame. Basically the entire world is worse than an inner-city ghetto, crime is rampant, and half the population is homosexual. Are you kidding me? That’s your idea of dramatic social changes? The characters find it so difficult to live on Earth that they return to the “space army” and continue fighting the war.
By the end, the main character is one of the only people who fought during the whole war–his entire adult life, but by Earth’s standards, it’s been over a thousand years. And what’s changed on Earth in a thousand years compared to 20? Why every person is homosexual and it’s genetically and socially aberrant to be straight.
It became clear by the end that this is pretty much the only thing that the author wants us to take away from the idea that war can change the world you live in. Is that really all you could think of that might change in years? That’s not even believable. The book was written in the ’70’s, but is that enough of an excuse? Not by a long shot. I don’t care if it got a Nubula award in Women on these missions need to be as smart as men, etc. But our main character is a man, the story is full of innuendo, references toward orgies and sex, and our character is constantly asked by the women around him who he’s bunking with because all female personnel are required to co-bunk with someone.
Was the Nebula committee that year full of 14 year old boys with half-hard cocks and a sweater catalog?
I mean sure the ending is interesting and speaks to the futility of war, etc. Of course, I’m stubborn enough to soldier on get it! Although it is fun to watch the main character squirm about homosexuality, so there’s that. Grab ass all day and fuck all night, makes no difference … But once you suit up and go outside, you’ve gotta have discipline that would shame a Centurian. She wouldn’t be team leader forever. Besides, she wojjna been such a bad girl before the power went to her head.
Dowolnik: “Wieczna wojna” Joe Haldeman, Marvano
And by far the finest They draped a few bedsheets here and there for privacy, then unleashed Stargate’s eighteen sex-starved men on our women, compliant and promiscuous by military custom and lawbut desiring nothing so much as sleep on solid ground.
This book frustrated me, and left a bad taste. First off, the concept was decent enough — semi-hard scifi relativity is a major uoe, space war logistics are a big topic and semi-soft scifi lots of haldema commentary and speculation. Although, the blend of the two seemed awkward, generally shifting to either one or the other, without a smooth balance.
So my baseline rating would be 3 stars From the This book frustrated me, and left a bad taste. From the start, women in the military are “compliant and promiscuous by military custom and law ,” which I knew was a bad sign.
Later, as “homosex” comes into play as the new cultural norm, the main character: Plot-wise, it wasn’t a major part of the story The implication here and elsewhere is that the main character is the “victim”, being passively wronged by society by being hetero — where his wona reaction is natural and just and normal, yet everyone else’s behavior in society is alien and variously “broken”. In the end, my problem with this aspect of the book — and with the rest of the social commentary, it was just most noticeable on this front — was that it wasn’t an exploration of future cultural changes and shifting dynamics, but rather a soft horror story about the perversion of society and nature as it drifts from the author’s s’ ideals.
It wasn’t moralizing so much as it was shuddering, and ultimately the storyline wasn’t interesting enough to justify the time spent inside the author’s head.
Wieczna wojna (komiks)
This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. I read this book because it was a selection of the scifi book club at my local library. Hapdeman is a Hugo and Nebula award winning book, regarded as a classic It was written by a Vietnam war veteran and I had high hopes for it, expecting insight into the horrors of war and the traumatic adjustment of returning to a society that didn’t understand what the soldiers on the ground had been through For what it’s worth, the ho I read this book because it was a selection of the scifi book club at my local library.
For what it’s worth, the horrors of war sequences there were only 3 were well written. But the “readjustment” to society was just a chauvinistic, homophobic, bigoted rant against the social changes of the s.