The Lancea Sanctum are a Kindred religious covenant who believe themselves descended from Longinus the centurion who speared Jesus’. Unfortunately, Lancea Sanctum speaks far too much in vague generalities and adds little new and interesting material to this Covenant. And I get the same impression with the Lancea Sanctum. The book does give an awful lot of information about what the Lancea Sanctum is, and how it’s.
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Login or Sign Up Log in with. Search in titles only. Lancea et Sanctumlahcea I’m trying to understand the concept of the Lancea Sanctum.
To me they seem to be the Sabbat of 1st ed but with a little catholic church thrown in. But most references make them sound rigid. Ok, I’m going with VtR 2e Lancea, which has a tighter focus in my opinion. The Sanctified aren’t monsters for monsters sake as most of the Sabbat is.
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They do not revel in their “evilness” because they are the next step in human evolution, or just because they’re better than everyone else. As of 2e, this role belongs to the Circle: The actions of the Kindred in the Lancea wanctum that of a wolf-shepherd among sheep.
They terrorize, corrupt and defile mortals to test them, and their supposed innocence.
If you pass, you’re good to go, they’re probably even going to protect you but I wouldn’t count that as a sandtum. If you fail, your life is ruined, or you’re dead, or you become a good subject for the Embrace. Congratulations, you’re a monster now!
This is the official party line, of course. There are lots of heresies and sects out there. Their role as dark guides among humanity comes from God itself: They’ve sinned and have lanncea cursed, and so they must repent. And because Theban Sorcery is tied to Humanity, most practitioners must remain as human as possibile to retain their gifts. So, sort of paradoxically but that’s in theme!
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Which I think is kind of neat. Also, the Lancea is full of scholars and historians so you lanxea play that angle a little bit. Not that their history is true: English is my second language, so be patient! I’m not that familiar with the Sabbat, so I’m going to start at this with a blank slate. The Lancea et Sanctum are followers of the Word of Longinus, a vampire prophet who taught that lancew need to serve a purpose in this world. Yes, you are Damned, but that damnation has a meaning.
The world is filled with sin, and the Kindred are called to cull sinners from the world, and to be the devil that tempts the righteous to ensure that they do have good intentions at heart. The LeS are the dark angels, who protect the herd of humanity from other predators, lanceq as they feed on these people themselves. The angels of the Lord has gifted the Lance with Theban Sorcery, found in dark tomb of Egypt, in order to carry out their Mission.
And different vampires have different takes on that mission. Due to the nature of Theban Sorcery the reliance on Academics as a skillthis has actually turned the Lancea et Sanctum into a covenant that specializes in collecting vampire lore. Not just the occult, but the history and culture of vampires as lanccea whole. The Lancea et Sanctum libraries are the most extensive of all Kindred covenants. A second aspect of Theban Sorcery is that it requires medial to high Humanity, which means that the Lance has developed methods of surviving nay, thriving as a vampire while maintaining one’s Humanity.
Yes, the Lance adopts the trappings of Catholicism or Baptist, or Protestant, or any other Abrahamic religion. But it is only trappings. The Kindred don’t really care if Jesus was the Son of God, or a prophet; that’s a side note at best. What matters is that Longinus was Damned for living a life of sin and debauchery, and became the first vampire prophet to teach the Kindred God’s plan for the undead. So far, I’ve been talking only about the vampires and their mission as it relates to mortals.
Where it comes to other vampires? The Lance has the spiritual obligation to spread their faith and teachings to other vampires.
And that involves a bit of underhanded action. The Lance not only collects historical and cultural texts and artificats, but they go out of their way to track down anything that deviates from the sahctum they want to teach and hide sanchum. The Lance also has their paladins and Godslayers – Kindred that hunt down spirits or others that would rival or threaten the LeS spiritual mission. The Lancea et Sanctum serve as confessors to the Kindred city for those who’ve fallen too far, slipping their Humanity away, and helping to reclaim hir mind and soul from the Beast.
Traditionally, the Lance is allied with the Invictus, due to their long and mutually beneficial history since the fall of Rome, and often share members, though that is not always a given. I’ll keep this short and sancyum It’s there to tell vampires that God has a purpose for them, and while it may be that of the devil and monster, that’s still more comforting than “enjoy a nihilistic eternity of hunger. Female pronouns for me, please.
Gwyn chan ‘r Gwyll. It’s also the covenant with the most easily accepted reasoning for why you are a vampire, at least in the default western setting.
Invictus and Carthian don’t address it sxnctum all, the Circle will tell you something different for each cult, maybe it’s natural maybe it’s a gift of some dark goddess. The Ordo either says we don’t know, not enough science, or God cursed you and we hate him.
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The latter is a common view, but the Ordo itself has modernized to emphasize the former view. The Sanctum says “We know why you are a vampire, and more so, we know what to do next”. Sounds contradictory esp needing to keep high humanity. How do you do both? How can it be other religions when everything about it has a catholic veneer?
I don’t remember reading that in the Covenant book. So lets put up a scenerio. A human is walking down an alley and a vampire not of the lance attacks at the same time a member of the Lance comes upon the two. Is the Lance going to save the mortal?
They have a high humanity through constantly interacting with humans, large focus on touchstones, etc. They are solidly Christian, but the trappings vary place to place. Snake-charming charismatic Appalachian Protestant-influenced Lance sects may focus on speaking in tongues and such like, while a powerful catholic-esque Bishop in Boston may summon a shadowy figure of a woman who makes each member of the congregation feel judged andunworthy.
The covenant book goes over the various “Rites” that show how the covenant changes across places and cultures. Of course it also makes a cursory effort to fold Jewish and Muslim beliefs in, which fails to convince, but they seem to have dropped that in 2nd edition, which is good.
Longinian faith is in keeping with the basic shared tenets of Christianity, where it barely matches those of Judaism and actively goes against those of Islam.
Originally posted by Blue Thomas View Post. Last edited by Charlaquin ; Onyx Path Forum Moderator My mod voice is red. I use it so you know when I’m speaking in an official capacity, not as an indication of tone.
Going by Willow now, or Wil for short. I can’t help but imagine there would be a lecture.
Provided the mortal wasn’t under the Lancea vampire’s protection, and the vampire wasn’t strictly an enemy, perhaps the Lancea vampire would say something, not quite urging, to see if the vampire could control themselves while feeding.
If not, they have something to hold over the vampire’s head. If so, they can lecture them about how their humanity shines through by the grace of god and invite them to hear more at the services on Saturday night. They might usher the vampire off and dust off the human, helping them sxnctum and telling them what they did wrong, or right. There’s a lot of ways sabctum be a demon, after all. There’s many different ways to play a vampire of the Lance, too, a lot of ways to view their Requiem, even within the confines of Lancea et Sanctum doctrine.
Originally posted by Gwyn chan ‘r Gwyll View Post. I think it’s less that the Lancea faith couldn’t work with both Judaism and Islam, it’s that you’d need to give it the proper text space to develop otherwise it looks a bit silly.
Lanxea LetS doctrine is independent of the mortal Sxnctum faiths, and practicing your mortal beliefs is shunned at best, persecuted at worst.
It doesn’t matter if you were a Catholic, a Muslim, a Jew or a pagan in life – as far as LetS is concerned, you are equally damned now, and the only gospel you should follow is that xanctum Longinus. The aesthetics of the Church of sabctum Damned are skewed towards Christianity because Christ is a central figure in their mythology and because the covenant evolved alongside Christianity in Rome and throughout the middle ages, but a devout Christian being Embraced and joining LetS will still have to learn a completely new doctrine that’s barely compatible with his mortal beliefs.
Equally, nothing’s stopping a LetS member from viewing a wise Imam and a kind priest as equally righteous mortals and putting them both under Church’s protection. Granted, mortal preconceptions and biases can and most likely will show through, but that’s more a matter of particular Sanctified twisting the faith in support of their personal beliefs than something stemming from the doctrine itself.
And twisting the doctrine to suit one’s needs is something that happens across all faiths, from Christianity to Islam to paganism to militant atheism, so it’s not like Lancea or its formerly Christian members will stand out in this regard. Last edited by MCN ; It goes against Muslim beliefs because it says that there was an earlier set of revelation not overwritten by the Quran.
Muhammad is not only the last prophet but the SEAL of the prophets. His revelation is final, previous revelation is no longer valid. So to believe that the revelations of Longinus swnctum still valid today you would have to deny a basic tenet of your mortal faith in a way that a Christian wouldn’t.
It would be equivalent to if being a Longinian required a Christian to deny that Jesus was the son of God, as all teachings were predicated on that. Any religious Muslim lxncea has to have its basis in purported revelations from Muhammad. Now the LeS may see all vampires as being under their purview, but that’s no different than if all Jews saw all other Abraham’s religions as being little more than Jews led astray.
It’s condescending, and not at all accurate, and doesn’t mean that Christians and Muslims can easily become Jews without sacrificing their previous beliefs.